How to Stay in Tune Using a Floyd Rose, Double Locking & Floating Bridge - Herman Li DragonForce

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Shred Test! What's the best way to keep your guitar in tune? DragonForce guitarist @Herman Li discuss tuning, compare and examine different guitar bridges, such as the ones the Ibanez EGEN18, Music Man Majesty, PRS Custom 24 Floyd Rose Original, Kiesel headless with Hipshot, Jared Dines Signature, Dean Exile with Floyd Rose 1000. What other guitar tech topic would you like to see Herman discuss on Twitch and AM-posts?
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Eric Chenier
Eric Chenier 22 ժամ առաջ
The strings are constantly stretching. You can’t expect any system that doesn’t compensate for that to ever stay perfectly in tune, especially after something drastic like a vibrato. Just the fact the guitar loses tuning accuracy based on the angle it’s held will mean you are always a few cents off unless you jam holding a level. Pressing or lightly tapping the bar to reset the bridge is an old trick going way back. It is especially useful on bigsby units.
Rhuan V. Teodoro
Rhuan V. Teodoro Օր առաջ
My freaking licensed Jackson Floyd Rose works good, so anything might be perfect 😂 And by the way, I didn't know of this "tricks" that's awesome
some1fat
some1fat Օր առաջ
great video!
Endezeichen Grimm
Endezeichen Grimm Օր առաջ
It's not the weight of the neck. It's the weight of the bar mechanism that is making it go out of tune.
despacito
despacito 2 օր առաջ
what i learned from this video is that herman sure has alot of guitars!
Jake Ritchie
Jake Ritchie 2 օր առաջ
The floyd rose 1000 is the exact same as the original. Same materials, the special is the cheaper one
MJ Tan
MJ Tan 2 օր առաջ
Im never buying a guitar with whammy bars
Eric Smith
Eric Smith 3 օր առաջ
Herman, great video homie. Definitely need to know information. I have a Dime Razorback with a Floyd and it performs very well but I never knew about this. Going to check it out tonight
epoi'z paradigma
epoi'z paradigma 3 օր առաջ
Hey dont throw guitar like that..give me and i care thats guitar
eukariootti
eukariootti 3 օր առաջ
Two additions: 1.) Dive only (no up-pulling), which is what Eddie Van Halen used most of the time (Original Floyd Rose i.e. FRT-100 or something similar). With locking nut. Very stable tuning even with mediocre bridge + you can use D-Tuna. You just need to choose a compromise between light usage of the whammy bar, and bridge not rising up when bending the strings. Here you do totally loose pulling-up with whammy bar. But when listening to Van Halen, it's not quite as dramatic limitation as you'd think. He often depressed the whammy bar, hit a note and then let the whammy bar back up, thus creating similar audible effect as pulling up from the neutral position: am-posts.info/list/vKi3vYPVxpKVm6Q/video On several songs, Eddie used guitar with fixed bridge. And at least on two tracks (Get Up, Summer Nights), a headless Steinberger with TransTrem 2, which is very unique bridge. 2.) Ibanez Backstop (discontinued?) and other similar gizmos. This is what Steve Vai uses in his Ibanez JEM's. Which do have either Ibanez Edge or sometimes its lower profile version, Lo-Pro Edge (similar to Floyd Rose Pro). Both are manufactured by GOTOH and are somewhat similar to GOTOH 1996T, i.e. fine tuners of the regular version are further away from players palm than with Floyd Rose. And the posts have different width, too. Also Joe Stariani uses Ibanez Edge in his Ibanez JS's, but I'm not sure whether or not they're fully stock or equipped with similar "backstops". Anyways, the bridge is fully floating but there are extra spings, which add resistance only when pulling up. Or when palm muting or just otherwise pressing down towards the bridge. So this is similar to the Ibanez Edge-Zero, except that here the opposite direction is being damped: am-posts.info/list/urS7yHbQmYCsg3I/video
Cederick Forsberg
Cederick Forsberg 3 օր առաջ
Wooah! Floyd Rose 1000 is NOT licensed, it's made by Floyd Rose company themselve even tho it's not a German OFR. The Ibanez bridges are licensed ;) it's not made by Floyd Rose. However I think the patent has run out by now, so unless I'm mistaken, anybody can manufacture FR style bridges without needing to license it.
Du ro
Du ro 4 օր առաջ
I still have problems to play fell on black days by Soundgarden with my Floyd Rose Bridge
Danish Khan
Danish Khan 4 օր առաջ
Why am I even watching this? I have a fixed bridge lmao
Mark E
Mark E 4 օր առաջ
Very interesting, I had no idea the tunning changed like that just moving the Guitar around. Great info. Thanks. 👊🙂💯
Jamie McEwan
Jamie McEwan 4 օր առաջ
9:50 Gotta love that PRS build quality. This was the single most informative video I've ever watched on Floyds. You're absolutely right, noone teaches you this stuff.
bodazofa123
bodazofa123 4 օր առաջ
When you go on stage your guitar tech should... lol not all of us are in dragon force!! Lol just messing around. Great vid.
Nightwish covers
Nightwish covers 4 օր առաջ
Definitely gonna test this on my guitars😅. Also was not aware tilting the guitar had that much effect on tuning. I also had a case of a neck not fastened tight enough to the body, which had a big impact as well. Thanks for discussing this important matter😄🤘🏼🎸
Antonis Rizopoulos
Antonis Rizopoulos 4 օր առաջ
So what I got from this video is that I have to lose my belly to have my guitar tuned. Cool. hahahahhahahhahahhaha
Francisco Riquelme
Francisco Riquelme 5 օր առաջ
Primer video que veo en el que hablan con bases y fundamento acerca de la estabilidad de los diferentes tipos de puentes flotantes.buen trabajo herman li
Brendan David
Brendan David 5 օր առաջ
I always play out of tune, I'm glad bass don't need tuning.
Michael Brand
Michael Brand 5 օր առաջ
very interesting!
Gilles Morneault
Gilles Morneault 5 օր առաջ
Really good info man. My floyd 1000 has been pissing me off, cuz my other guitar, EBMM JP6 has always been flawless. I even went to lengths of filling in the hole & re drilling the trem position to correct the floyd, but it STILL wasnt perfect. Ive never had to focus on this while playing, prior with the JP6. And now, I do get distracted while "correcting" the floyd. But at least now, I know, the pros have it happen as well. Peace of mind I guess. But it still drives me bonkers.
Kevin Valencia
Kevin Valencia 5 օր առաջ
this is why i dont play Floyd Rose
Kenneth Carlin
Kenneth Carlin 5 օր առաջ
Thank you, Herman Li, for letting us know about how the position of the guitar affects the tuning. I tried that with my Dean CFR350 the other night and was surprised how off the tuning was.
Squishay1
Squishay1 5 օր առաջ
So what would you do if Davie504 was the new bassist?
David Mc
David Mc 5 օր առաջ
Check out BandMaid! You need to tour with them!
Haris Gr
Haris Gr 5 օր առաջ
The FR 1000 series is NOT made from lower quality parts. The parts, design and specs are the same as the Original's. The only difference is that the 1000 series is made in Korea whereas Original is made in Germany.
Phl03m guitar
Phl03m guitar 5 օր առաջ
I gave away my Yamaha with a Floyd Rose when I was inexperienced for this exact reason and now I regret it. If only I knew that even the pros wrestle with tuning stability 😭
hablahivan
hablahivan 5 օր առաջ
Great video man!
Jordan Ginneilun
Jordan Ginneilun 5 օր առաջ
6:01 bruh we don't have that type of luxury even if we want to😂
Drivingfull
Drivingfull 5 օր առաջ
Supongo que con un buen ajuste el Floyd más malo puede mantener la afinación, con buenos afinadores. Tengo una Jackson soloist dkmg, y ya le puedes tocar el Floyd que me dura afinada hasta que cambió las cuerdas, más o menos un año, supongo que se tendrá en cuenta la durabilidad en años, la tengo hace 6. Lo peor es la primera afinación
Marcus Munn
Marcus Munn 5 օր առաջ
step 1 play hardtail
Tahmid Rahman
Tahmid Rahman 5 օր առաջ
Thanks a lot Herman, i thought i was the only one who faced this problem. Nobody really talks about this.
cheetahfish
cheetahfish 5 օր առաջ
Your guitar collection makes me moist.
Sir StabbyFork
Sir StabbyFork 5 օր առաջ
What chair is that?
triledink
triledink 5 օր առաջ
I had a problem with my floyd not staying in tune after wammy abuse, it comes that I didn't tighten the locking nut hard enough. You should never lock the nut hard but not to soft either.
isaac thrash
isaac thrash 5 օր առաջ
I m curious about the stability of the sophia trem on his custom b c rich. I want one
Stavros K
Stavros K 5 օր առաջ
Well John Suhr would agree with your last statement about the Gotoh Floyd... He sayd it's the best locking trem available. I have one on a Warmoth Soloist I built and it's floating and stays in tune great (it's new). I think Eddie was right that by having them only dive you get much better stability, but if you go flat after a dive you can't pull back to help return to zero.
Stavros K
Stavros K 5 օր առաջ
I have an original Edge that I put on my strat in 89. It comes back to Zero everytime ..and always has. It is the best Floyd type that I own. Granted my tuner goes in increments of 10 cents.... but still. I have noticed a huge move away from locking trems in the guitar world. I remember about 10 years back you had a just a few RG's to choose from if you wanted a hardtail. Now Ibanez is going the other way. I thought maybe kids were getting lazy.. but I don't think thats the case. I grew up on Eddie and 80's guitar gods so this bar is a necessary crutch for me. I think Floyd users have gotten used to it being a pain in the ass, and eventually it's just part of the deal you make to have a good solid trem.
TunnelSnake9337
TunnelSnake9337 5 օր առաջ
Alexi laiho thought me how to fix ;)
Steam Train Ty
Steam Train Ty 5 օր առաջ
I don’t have the new Floyd rose bridge.
Christopher Rios Lillo
Christopher Rios Lillo 5 օր առաջ
do more videos w sam :(
AK DRAGON
AK DRAGON 6 օր առաջ
I've never been able to keep an Edge Zero in tune.. however I can keep any Edge, Lo-Pro Edge, Pro Edge in tune perfectly after set up..
Napalm
Napalm 6 օր առաջ
❤❤❤❤
wafiy hasyim
wafiy hasyim 6 օր առաջ
Remember everyone, u will regret if u buy guitar second hand from herman , the first thing he do definitely knee shot to it. Then throw to the dog endless possibilities 😜
Gloria a Deus
Gloria a Deus 6 օր առաջ
I have a dream since I was a kid to have your guitar 😭😭😓😥😢😰
Alex Lee
Alex Lee 6 օր առաջ
I told myself I would never get a Floyd Rose ever again ahahah. My next 2 guitars were JP7 then I traded for a JP6, and then a Majesty and I still don't use the bar!! I wonder how Dimebag had his guitars setup!! That's the only thing I can think about watching him play live is how the hell does his guitar stay in tune????
Deez Nutz
Deez Nutz 6 օր առաջ
My old Ibanez w/Floyd licensed works perfect from 1990. My Jackson (FR Special/doesn't return 100% either), My 1998 Ibanez S series returns perfectly (very close), but my new Epiphone Explorer Gothic w/Floyd sucks really bad. I had to buy 2 new mounting posts because of the Floyd's knife edge gouging into the mounting bars. The mounting bars are made of some cheap soft metal that allows indentation. Funny I found this video and channel right when I'm doing this. My Gibsons are great but I hate tuning them all the time, was looking for an explorer w/floyd that wasn't super ugly and hopefully this works!
Francesco Monaci
Francesco Monaci 6 օր առաջ
finally a video who tells you the truth about floating bridges, thank you herman
LocrianDorian
LocrianDorian 6 օր առաջ
The 1000 Series is really good, just imported, the ones that are made from cheaper pot metal and eventually wear down are the Floyd Rose Special bridges.
Stratus Axarlis
Stratus Axarlis 6 օր առաջ
ty for the details :)
Roachdalf The Grey
Roachdalf The Grey 6 օր առաջ
I’m kinda shocked by how well the Floyd’s did, and never knew flipping the guitar around would change it that much. I suspect the mass of the bridge is effecting that. Cool vidya boss.
Cristiano Rentróia
Cristiano Rentróia 6 օր առաջ
Guthrie Govan does that going flat with the bridge to compensate the tunning a lot, really fast in between songs or solos. Now i know what it is!
Xan Hteps
Xan Hteps 6 օր առաջ
Ive sat down to tune only needing to tune again when standing. Thought it was just more of my own crazy. Out of all the wierd guitar myths and truths I had never ever heard of this before! Thanks dude!
Jessie Hydro
Jessie Hydro 6 օր առաջ
I’ve been playing floyd rose guitars for 20 years and I have to be honest I never even considered the fact that the orientation of the guitar would affect the floating trem.. makes sense. Just not something I never noticed.
Chris Kallo
Chris Kallo 6 օր առաջ
That poor dog.
Berkay Deniz
Berkay Deniz 6 օր առաջ
i learned that thing naturally trying to do dive bombs etc, then realising it was going flat or sharp. if its sharp then i push the bar, if its flat i pull the bar after i pull it down. i thought every one who had spend time with floating bridges would know those tricks. cuz like, you get it naturally after some point. but idk i've never seen anyone giving those as advices cuz, idk maybe they think it is something obvious idk.
The Seeker 73
The Seeker 73 6 օր առաջ
idk, most people in the comment stream say they were not aware of it and are thanking Herman
Nick Othen
Nick Othen 6 օր առաջ
You need to stretch the strings first.
Sirraus
Sirraus 6 օր առաջ
The real issue here is the face of the knife-edge on the bridge (where the bridge makes contact with the trem studs) and/or the trem studs being scarred or wiggle around within their cavities. Nowadays, Ibanez trems actually have a pretty wide knife-edge that causes an uneven return when you rock the trem back and forth. As the trem is used, and more wear is placed on the knife-edge, the more unstable and unlikely it is to return to zero/in tune. The same applies to the trem studs. They get gouged and scarred from use and from frequently raising/lowering the bridge under tension, which makes it more difficult for the knife-edge to find its perfect return. Another great way to fight this instability is to use LOCKING-trem studs (Look into this and hit up Rich from IbanezRules.com - he’s the Ibanez wizard and sells the locking studs and has tutorials on fixing trems that don’t return to zero after use).
Jim Conley
Jim Conley 6 օր առաջ
I had to learn this stuff the hard way when I started playing again 4 years ago after a 15 year break from playing only acoustic guitars. I have to say, I was NOT aware of half of these. Thanks for all you do Herman.
Jagvillboienhatt
Jagvillboienhatt 6 օր առաջ
And this is why I play fixed bridges. Good video though Herman, learned a lot!
Ryan T
Ryan T 6 օր առաջ
I talked to a tech at Floyd Rose and asked what the difference between the German made Floyd and the 1000's. And he said they're made of the exact same metals, it's just the 1000's are outsourced to Korea to mass produce for contracts for mainly Indo made mid level to upper mid level guitars. I have one on my Indo made Jackson Soloist and I have a FR special and a German FR.. Can't tell a huge difference between the stability of the German and the 1000, but the Special is a waste of money..
Mark Bouchard
Mark Bouchard 6 օր առաջ
So much can be learned here... Herman, you are a great teacher as well as an incredible player.
Khunvyel
Khunvyel 6 օր առաջ
Actually I think one should never tune / set up a guitar in any other way than playing position :) But that's just me, and I know I'm quite out there. I do not touch the fine tuners on the bridge, ever, because that messes with your intonation as you physically dislocate the plane the string rests in. Messing with fine tuners, you might be in tune on the open string, but you are messing up the fretting intonation. Instead I use the fine tuners to conform the strings to the radius of the frets first, only then set the saddle depth for intonation. Locking nuts are also quite terrible because you never completely lock out the strings. You just don't. The end of the strings remains on the tuning peg, still allowing movement to happen. For me, Locking tuners are the way to go. However, if you really want to look into tuning stability, look no further than changing springs. The spring configuration is what affects overall stability and tuning stability the most.
Kama Sotomonte
Kama Sotomonte 6 օր առաջ
Dude thanks , we as guitar nerds love these kind of videos ♥️♥️♥️♥️
Eric Nettle
Eric Nettle 6 օր առաջ
Try it with an old composite Steinberger GL
Dikkie SikkStrings
Dikkie SikkStrings 6 օր առաջ
I saw a comment in his live chat feed that said how did dimebag ever play in tune? That is a fucking great question and after seeing Pantera a couple times and seeing damage plan my only logical answer to that is not only does he change guitars like every song but he bends the fucking shit out of most of his notes too and I'm going to say that his ear is probably the only way that he ever played in tune. Lol
Dikkie SikkStrings
Dikkie SikkStrings 6 օր առաջ
Yeah it took me a little while to figure all this shit out because nobody really does teach you the shit when you're coming up so I stayed away from floating tremolos for a while, then I got a DBZ bird of prey and it totally changed my mind about them and after like a year of playing I learned how to actually set up a Floyd Rose and play on it but it took a long time for me to get used to it because nobody prepared me for it
Lord Baccus
Lord Baccus 6 օր առաջ
Tilting the Guitar makes it go out of tune =/ = POS
Raphael deSouza
Raphael deSouza 6 օր առաջ
NOW!! THATS SCIENCE!!!
GuitarGuts
GuitarGuts 6 օր առաջ
Great video!
Akshay Ravi Kumar
Akshay Ravi Kumar 6 օր առաջ
My Schecter goes out of tune by about 10-15 cents after practicing Eddie's Beat it solo for 10 hours, is that good? xD
dayat chen 1216
dayat chen 1216 6 օր առաջ
Hello Herman li, can you play guitar hero 3 games? You have to put a song through the fire and flames
Valentin Roux
Valentin Roux 6 օր առաջ
Yesterday i learnt that the fretted intonation on guitar sucks (CF. True Intonation Frets), and now that gravity affects your tuning. Guitar is such a shitty intrument for tuning accuracy lol, better not be a perfectionnist on your recording
Pilem Seri Ndelik
Pilem Seri Ndelik 6 օր առաջ
Use Evertune !! you'll in tune almost 4EVR
Joy Abdi
Joy Abdi 6 օր առաջ
How about whammy bar flutter, which one is the best wrrrr wrrrr sound?
Pierre van Niekerk
Pierre van Niekerk 6 օր առաջ
I wish they would design something that would return to zero regardless... Surely someone can figure it out...
13 Bit
13 Bit 6 օր առաջ
this is so great and entertaining content!!
vikingmetaliscool
vikingmetaliscool 6 օր առաջ
I noticed the JP guitar had the cleanest open G note. The rest had a pretty bad warble to them.
FlatgroundTV
FlatgroundTV 6 օր առաջ
Wow. So much information. Thank you for sharing.
retarded penguin
retarded penguin 6 օր առաջ
i actually never knew this, thanks
Pedal4Review
Pedal4Review 6 օր առաջ
great video thank you
Andrés Alfaro
Andrés Alfaro 6 օր առաջ
What distortion use and how make armonic in 3rd fret? I make in 4,5,7 and 9 fret armonic Please tellme how
d.triantoro
d.triantoro 6 օր առաջ
i learn this from experience, i thought thats my guitar defect, but now i know this happen to all floating bridge. thank for the information herman
Stomper75
Stomper75 6 օր առաջ
Got 4 Jackson guitars with the cheaper floyd rose specials, they stay in tune fairly well
Travis Hein
Travis Hein 6 օր առաջ
I never considered the angle of holding the guitar can change the tuning that much. Thank you for the video.
Darlok
Darlok 6 օր առաջ
I felt like lute players with my double locking floating bridge: 80% tuning, 10% playing, 10% divebombs XD I just hated if I tune a string I had to retune the others, I tried different patterns, E,e,b,A,G,D was the fastest, but still annoying, if the room temperature changed 5% I had to retune for 10 mins...
Shawn Tapley
Shawn Tapley 6 օր առաջ
oh my mother fucking god. is all you have to do really is just dip the bar a little bit? iv gotten ride of half a dozen floyd guitars because they only stayed in tune in one direction
DragonForce
DragonForce 6 օր առաջ
Oh no!!! Sorry to hear that. :(
Ishrak Haider
Ishrak Haider 6 օր առաջ
Love this type of video. Poor dog.
Wes Shepard
Wes Shepard 6 օր առաջ
Good video bro
A 911 GT3RS
A 911 GT3RS 6 օր առաջ
My new Schecter I ordered has a 1500 FR
Jack Fox
Jack Fox 6 օր առաջ
Thats good man, thats a 1000 but with stainless steel components so itll stay solid longer 👍
idk u
idk u 6 օր առաջ
6:02 “don’t do this at home” Don’t worry Herman, I CAN’T AFFORD to do that anywhere anyway
Albedo D. Overlord
Albedo D. Overlord 5 օր առաջ
Same!!! I can't even buy a better or a decent strings either!
Brian J Malmsteen
Brian J Malmsteen 6 օր առաջ
Are you going to announce your signature guitar with PRS on the 14th? Because I’ve waited all last year to buy one!
dbassir87
dbassir87 6 օր առաջ
“The better you do the faces, the more your guitar will be in tune...it will distract the audience” 🤣
Gorftz 28
Gorftz 28 7 օր առաջ
Thank you so much Herman... You should also add Ibanez edge and lo-pro edge bridges just to complete the most used bridges.. :) anyway good video and thanks a lot again for sharing your knowledge about bridges
DragonForce
DragonForce 7 օր առաջ
good idea! :) Thanks!
higler
higler 7 օր առաջ
Gotoh GE1996T is easily the best floyds and it's one of the cheaper options.
higler
higler 7 օր առաջ
5:45 haha this is why I love Herman! I was so scared of the headstock snapping
Bill David
Bill David 7 օր առաջ
...does tha stabalizer bar on the zero trem effect flutters though : (
Richard Hunter
Richard Hunter 6 օր առաջ
Flutter and vibrato can only be good on a fully floating bridge. That's why you need more guitars.
D K
D K 7 օր առաջ
I found my knife edge needed to be sharpened and then my Floyd returned to 0. But when they go dull it will not return to 0 as expected because of theres friction from a dull edge.
funknode funknode
funknode funknode 7 օր առաջ
Someone's been watching Alinity in their off time.
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