How to Stay in Tune When Playing a Floyd Rose, Double Locking & Floating Bridge - Herman Li

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Shred Test! What's the best way to keep your guitar in tune? DragonForce guitarist @Herman Li discuss tuning, compare and examine different guitar bridges, such as the ones the Ibanez EGEN18, Music Man Majesty, PRS Custom 24 Floyd Rose Original, Kiesel headless with Hipshot, Jared Dines Signature, Dean Exile with Floyd Rose 1000. What other guitar tech topic would you like to see Herman discuss on Twitch and AM-posts?
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DragonForce
DragonForce 2 ամիս առաջ
I miss spoke during the livestream. The Floyd Rose 1000 is not licensed. It is made in Korean and only available to OEM guitar manufacturers. They are meant to be the same specs as the Original Floyd Rose but a lower cost. - Herman
Edgardo Moraga Mellado
Edgardo Moraga Mellado Ամիս առաջ
​@Joe Heisler I dont think any of those choices will work as a drop in replacement. you'll need to re drill the stud holes. Regarding the cavity of the unit, you might have clearance to fit the OFR7 unit. However, you still need to measure that with a caliper and compare to the dimensions on the floyd rose page to make sure it actually fits. The lockmeister 7 is a bit bigger than the OFR7, so that might be a problem
Joe Heisler
Joe Heisler Ամիս առաջ
@Edgardo Moraga Mellado Any suggestions for 7 string? I have a 7 pro 1000 (I like the low profile though). Don’t think a lopro will fit without some surgery so I was looking at an ofr7 and lockmeister 7
giorgio solinas
giorgio solinas 2 ամիս առաջ
@Abner Santos Fotografia guess that would be the best solution!
giorgio solinas
giorgio solinas 2 ամիս առաջ
@Edgardo Moraga Mellado thanks for you reply. I guess if I bought the gotoh I should a profession do the job! Otherwise I'll go for the lockmeister
Abner Santos Fotografia
Abner Santos Fotografia 2 ամիս առաջ
@Edgardo Moraga Mellado You right, in most cases, The instalation of Gotoh need a little adjustments. In My Cort X6 needed to redrill for replace the studs and little cut on the edge of the cave for the perfect action... And in my case worth a lot... Budget guitar with great bridge
VapnFagan
VapnFagan Օր առաջ
Pooh Da Bah?
John Mitch
John Mitch Օր առաջ
Have a floyd made out of titanium
Emily Alterio
Emily Alterio 5 օր առաջ
I am LOVING this video. You are one of my fave guitarists and play the way I want to learn. I used to own a Fender in my late teens, now I know why I hated mine. I am learning a lot!! I am getting an Ibanez soon so I know I’m in the right place lol. Love you Mr. Li😁😁
- NOV3L
- NOV3L 5 օր առաջ
What kind of tuner is that?? though u had to play the string to see if it’s in tune😳
KahnuevsKrake
KahnuevsKrake 6 օր առաջ
So, if the hardness of the knife edges vs string and spring tension are what determine the tuning stability, would a dive only Floyd be more forgiving of cheaper bridges?
elruffian163
elruffian163 9 օր առաջ
No wonder I sound like shit🤔my fat ass belly is messing with it😆
bear frog
bear frog 11 օր առաջ
Who better to learn this from ? After 20 year of playing guitar I got my first Rose
Mark Page
Mark Page 12 օր առաջ
Bro, I bought your E Gen 8, could not get it to stay in tune. Paid 1,100 dollars. Playing 35 + years. Floyed Rose wins hands down. Ibanez support no help
Mark Page
Mark Page 12 օր առաջ
Didn't Mean any Disrespect. I bought the E Gen 8 Brand new in 2014, I tried everything but the low E string would go out of tune no Matter how I set it up
Mark Page
Mark Page 12 օր առաջ
@DragonForce thanks for the info. I bought the guitar, because I have the S370 red Rock Flat 2001. TRS 101 Double Locking Trem. Still stays in tune Perfectly. I was going to get a New Ibanez. But I bought a Jackson SL2. With Floyed rose instead. Thanks for the Reply. Hats off to you for the Reply.
DragonForce
DragonForce 12 օր առաջ
Change the springs at the back. If it still can't stay in tune, throw that bridge away and put an original floyd rose in. Should be a direct swap. Sorry for the problems you are facing!
andri yanto
andri yanto 12 օր առաջ
I borrowed a guitar from a friend of mine, just want to try the dive bomb of course, i once try to change the strings and didn't know if the more thicker the string The more tilts your bridge will, didn't even know how to keep my bridge straight, so i have to setting the springs and keep it in tune makes me sick, but hey that is the price you pay to get that cool sound
Bones And Rolls
Bones And Rolls 12 օր առաջ
Thank you very much for this Video! I thought that a floyd rose bridge was impossible to lose its tune... but every time you pull or puss the tremolo... the tune can be lost... Next time that iabnez guitar through to me :P
Tony Ruiz
Tony Ruiz 16 օր առաջ
I guess none of them are perfect just pretty good and fun to play with
Tony Ruiz
Tony Ruiz 16 օր առաջ
I thought the edge tremolo was the best is it or the floyd i always thought the edge was better correct me if I'm wrong please,thanks Herman for your show love it specially the one with Stevie T and the one with the awesome Kiko loreiro keep Rocking Herman your the man\m/
Usul_aut
Usul_aut 17 օր առաջ
Next time you throw one of these guitars away, i would be totally ok with it when you throw it in my direction. :)
Alkeryn
Alkeryn 17 օր առաջ
i'd like to see him do that with an evertune bridge lol.
Thy Underworld Productions
Thy Underworld Productions 17 օր առաջ
Well technically you don't need to buy a better guitar. You just have to buy better hardware (if you mod the guitar yourself in this case).
DALE LACUNA
DALE LACUNA 23 օր առաջ
Hey dragon Force can I have the guitar u throw
stoltobot
stoltobot 23 օր առաջ
I know the feeling! It drives me crazy when a locking bridge becomes unreliable! Nice video
Ty Shred
Ty Shred 24 օր առաջ
The floyd 1000 is great. I dont care what anyone says. Its ridiculously good.
Bill Zaferatos
Bill Zaferatos 25 օր առաջ
The Floyd Rose tremendous works pretty well. Ive noticed it works better on my non locking bridges {BABICZ BIRIDGES) than the actual Floyd Rose, not to mention the upgrade blocks are huge compared to a Floyd Rose. For non locking bridges try (tune it) from music nomad. This shit works. Great Video From a GREAT GUITAR PLAYER.
skylineXpert
skylineXpert 26 օր առաջ
After leveling trem base plate with body my s570b does great.
Dylan Cooney
Dylan Cooney 26 օր առաջ
I didn't think I would rely on dragonforce to help me with this problem lol
Dan Melbourne
Dan Melbourne Ամիս առաջ
I didn't like locking tremelos till recently. Oh boy are those high quality Floyds a work of art.
Jarret Grathwol
Jarret Grathwol Ամիս առաջ
No shock the most stable is the PRS.
J Metal Guitarist
J Metal Guitarist Ամիս առաջ
5:42 you know you’re rich when you can toss guitars on the floor just to see if they’ll stay in tune without even blinking.
CAL R35
CAL R35 Ամիս առաջ
Good stuff 👍👍👍👍
coffee and biscuits
coffee and biscuits Ամիս առաջ
Thank you Mr Li, I had zero idea about any of this.
alex shepelenko
alex shepelenko Ամիս առաջ
wait? is that satriani chrome boy behind you?!?! and you didnt used it? i dont care that you showed other guitar that has a double lock in it!! i demand the chrome boy to be used sir!!!
Fil Ferrer
Fil Ferrer Ամիս առաջ
First time I see someone talking about this. I've been battling with my guitars for years, and as you said, I have to choose to do bends and be in tune without dive bombs or do dive bombs and no bends! Ain't that a bitch?! At least now I know it's an universal problem and I'll never fix it! Tks anyway Herman! =/
Van DuaiLo
Van DuaiLo Ամիս առաջ
Thanks 🙏
Luis Díaz
Luis Díaz Ամիս առաջ
poor doggo
S C
S C Ամիս առաջ
Bro the guitar leaning on the warlock is giving me major anxiety... like why would you do that
Roumpinis mortis
Roumpinis mortis Ամիս առաջ
which is this tuner
Cosmic Prison
Cosmic Prison Ամիս առաջ
Actually, my guitar teacher back in the day indeed mentioned the "pulling back in the opposite direction" when I was still playing a regular strat-type guitar without a locking whammy bar system. So I kept doing that trick once I was playing guitars with Floyd Roses. Because I did have the impression that it slightly improved the pitch accuracy after returning from a dive / whammy-bar pull. But I never examined it as systematically as you did here. Seeing that even your high-end guitars with Floyd Roses don't completely return to original tune, that kind of makes me question whether Floyd Roses are as much needed as I've been thinking for all those years. Given that even with non-locking whammy bars, if you pull back up so that the strings fully slide back through the nut, that can still also work. Not too surprising if you think about it, though - people have been playing strats and using their whammy bars for decades, after all. I still feel "safer" with my guitars having Floyd Rose systems (I guess they're also licensed on the Schecter Hellraiser series), but anyone who plays a more standard strat-type guitar with a regular whammy bar might get by just fine if they keep doing that "push / pull in the opposite direction trick". It's just less reliable without the added stability of the locking nut, I'd assume.
The Life of Ryan
The Life of Ryan Ամիս առաջ
I thought something was wrong with my bridge... I guess it is just normal. Noice!
Sharath Riffs
Sharath Riffs Ամիս առաջ
Playing for 8 years never knew about any of these!!! This definitely helps
Trent Wilson
Trent Wilson Ամիս առաջ
Damn I gotta lose weight I feel like I made mistake getting the Jackson with the floyd rose bridge
Edward Van halen Jr.
Edward Van halen Jr. Ամիս առաջ
I have both the Flyod Rose Special and original Flyod no issues with either both systems are incredible
mois eusebio
mois eusebio 29 օր առաջ
I have a evh floyd rose special and it stay in tune pretty good and I have a big belly and when I play standing up the tuning may go a bit sharp and try out the whammy bar it stays in tune and I thought to myself that it not in tune but when I sit down it in tune then I used the whammy bar i check again and it is still in tune floyd rose are really great and compare to normal guitar like fender those go out of tune lot more then a floyd and I shouldn't think that the floyed will Stay in tune months but think about that I have to do less retune for longer times compare to other normal bridges guitar but one day I will upgrade my floyd rose special to a original
DodoG4mes
DodoG4mes Ամիս առաջ
wtf the doggo
Andy K
Andy K 2 ամիս առաջ
Awesome video! I always thought my Flodyded guitars were defecto when they wouldnt return to pitch after pulling up. I would always have to bend the G, or, hit the bar to re-zero the tuning. Now I know that's pretty much the way it is.
MAISOK SOKA
MAISOK SOKA 2 ամիս առաջ
Most guys will probably kill to own that orange guitar and he just threw it on the floor !!! Having too much of something must really sucks and here I am carefully putting a $6 new strings on my Chinese made Squier, hoping I don't scratch it 😥😔
Memq
Memq 2 ամիս առաջ
is Herman not Endorsed by Ibanez anymore? I see he covered the Ibanez Logo on his Ibanez gutiars
Alexander Cheskis
Alexander Cheskis 2 ամիս առաջ
FR1000 are supposed to be factory spec the same as OFR but manufactured in Korea. You can only buy them used because they are only allowed to be sold new for manufacturers to put into guitars. I don't know how much of that is marketing BS but i have 3 OFR and 2 FR1000 and I honestly can't tell the difference other than their tremolo arms do not quite work with each other. They do, but you can feel some extra friction screwing in an OFR arm into a fr1000. I think something with the washers is different just to make you have to buy the specific tremolo arm.
SemperFidelisTyrannosaurus
SemperFidelisTyrannosaurus 2 ամիս առաջ
For the people asking Herman to write a book on guitar, those already exist. go read one. lol
SemperFidelisTyrannosaurus
SemperFidelisTyrannosaurus 2 ամիս առաջ
Proper spring tension, string angle at the nut, and well lubed and maintained trem posts are the key. if youre having issues with tuning after you tighten the nut or use the whammy those 3 things are the first things you need to check. Sometimes its as simple as replacing the springs in back or installing a string tree or retainer bar on the head stock. Hope this helps someone!
Jopeymess Music
Jopeymess Music 2 ամիս առաջ
In my entire playing career, the last 12 with a Floyd bridge equipped guitar not a single person told me about these things. This was a very informative video. Thanks Herman! Floyd originals for life though, them is some great bridges.
DeaaEldeen Zahalka
DeaaEldeen Zahalka 2 ամիս առաջ
Whammy pedal it is then
Shivam Bulsara
Shivam Bulsara 2 ամիս առաջ
No one talks about these things. I hope he keeps sharing such information for us new generations.
Mule Blooze
Mule Blooze 2 ամիս առաջ
who the hell uses the bubble tuner on the kemper? C'mon
Dejoblue
Dejoblue 2 ամիս առաջ
The Kiesel/Hipshot is +- 30 cents because it has the tuners on the bridge and is heavier.
Piotr Kowalewski
Piotr Kowalewski 2 ամիս առաջ
Thank you for showing the actual tuning stability of those bridges. Very informative video
Nat Jes
Nat Jes 2 ամիս առաջ
Randomly passing through AM-posts... This guy must be German, he sounds like Michael Schenker speaking English!!!
Gain on Ten
Gain on Ten 2 ամիս առաջ
wow the original floyd rose surprised me as well.
Salty Tech
Salty Tech 2 ամիս առաջ
My most stable guitar is a first-generation squire Strat with a roller bearing nut and locking tuners. I wonder if the string to pickup height and the pickups magnetic pull on strings has anything to do with the tuning changing pointed up or down.
Joey Barcenas
Joey Barcenas 2 ամիս առաջ
I want to tune my guitar to e standard but im way too scared to tune up, im afraid that the strings are gonna pop out. Btw im in drop B can anyone give me tips for tuning a guitar with edge zero
Tanner Eanes
Tanner Eanes 2 ամիս առաջ
Damn dude. 1 minute in and i've learned a major thing that was never taught or talked about. Who would have thought turning your guitar effects the tune? Time for some Science research haha.
Francisco André Gonçalves
Francisco André Gonçalves 2 ամիս առաջ
One of the best video for guitarists so far... Tks, Li for letting us know that there are no perfect in tune guitars.
Palix Tobin
Palix Tobin 2 ամիս առաջ
I was looking at getting a headless Kiesel built for me, and you kinda just sold me on one.
Fireheist101
Fireheist101 2 ամիս առաջ
Thanks dude, I got a $400 Jackson Floyd rose for Christmas and had no idea how to use it, I had major problems with tuning but after watching this I have a better grasp, one question though what string gauge should I use if I have 3 heavy duty fu tone springs
Luis Angel Ayon
Luis Angel Ayon 2 ամիս առաջ
Herman speaking about the position of the guitar when you tune is something that a lot of people really miss out, that affect a lot the tuning when you are playing live, I have an Ibanez RG270DX with a Gotoh GE1996T tremolo in it, that guitar stays incredibly in tune even abusing the whammy bar, what's the secret about the zero return point?, as Herman mention, the quality of steel is so important, The GE1996T and the LoEdge have a cool sharp blade that is touching the guitar studs so precise and helps with the return, but with the pass of time they get loose and impact to your tuning, so it is important to have a good edge touching between your trem and studs, another important thing is the lifetime of the springs, springs should be replaced each 2 or 3 years, depending the use of them, and one of the most important things (at least for me) is the lubrication between each metal component that is working in all the setup, from the screws that touch the claw of springs, the contact between claw and the spring, the spring and the trem block, the trem edge and the studs, the tremolo and the string, the string and the double locking nut. I use Big Bends Nut Sauce, this is the holy grial to fix or improve significantly the tuning stability.
JaayOnPC
JaayOnPC 2 ամիս առաջ
Yes my egen18 plb is out of tune after i tuned it and locked it lol been annoying the shit out of me i spent about 4 hours on it and gave up lol thanks for this
Karma Ceutical
Karma Ceutical 2 ամիս առաջ
cool vid!
Mubeen Mohyi
Mubeen Mohyi 2 ամիս առաջ
Lol! Why did you throw the guitar on the floor?
Liquor
Liquor 2 ամիս առաջ
especially for old guitars changing the floyd springs is a life saver had an old universe i fought that guitar so much setting it up i finally i asked a tech said to change the springs and she play perfect now!
Per Kristoffersson
Per Kristoffersson 2 ամիս առաջ
re the guitar going out of tune as you put it face up/face down, the heavier the bridge and the fewer the strings, the worse it will be. As for the headstock impact, I suppose if you had a really heavy headstock... interesting video.
Guitarmann 1818
Guitarmann 1818 2 ամիս առաջ
If u just repleace strings u got to play it for at least a day with out locking the nut like a normal guitar with no locking takes some time to break in strings dont lock any thing intill strings stay in tune amd r broken in
jorge calzada
jorge calzada 2 ամիս առաջ
Daaaaamn now i know why my guitars won't stay in tune the damn beer belly 😂😂😂
Cesar Valério
Cesar Valério 2 ամիս առաջ
Good job! Greetings from Brasil!
Ng Daimo
Ng Daimo 2 ամիս առաջ
you should make more video on guitar tech secrets, it is so informative and useful!!!
Ben Smith
Ben Smith 2 ամիս առաջ
For 12 years I thought I was crazy unlucky because other players would claim their floyds return to exact 0 every time. My guitars do exactly the same thing yours do and I've always done the tricks you described to get around the slight changes. I feel way better now knowing other people probably just aren't as OCD about tuning as I am.
DragonForce
DragonForce 2 ամիս առաջ
Glad I can help! 😁🤘
Denis Bayram
Denis Bayram 2 ամիս առաջ
I have the 1000 series and it's completely bullshit...sharp edges beding edges and it's not even. It's buzzing humming and complete bullshit...
Karim Eid
Karim Eid 2 ամիս առաջ
I wanted you to try the floyd rose 1500 series
JohnnyShreds
JohnnyShreds 2 ամիս առաջ
you just solved all my problems with my sterling majesty guitar, thank you herman!
Sam Arsalan
Sam Arsalan 2 ամիս առաջ
Would the non locking floating bridges stay in tune more if the nut was lubricated more?
Trale Someone
Trale Someone 2 ամիս առաջ
I made a guitar for my brother with a two post Wilkinson trem system and bone nut with locking tuners. I was surprised that it stays in tune. It just can't detune. So it's possible to make a guitar stay in tune with bone nut and a graphite on the nut slots. But the tremolo should be a good quality, (precision measurements in design.)
hanten10
hanten10 2 ամիս առաջ
Gravity is always there no matter how good the guitar is. Thank you for sharing Mr. Herman, actually I was waiting for you to share something like this because you are one of the extreme whammy bar players and of course you have many experience on it. After seeing this video I realised that there is no single whammy bar guitar has a perfect trem I mean all of it will not return to 0 when pushing down or going up, so I think I will stay with my Gotoh bridges and not minding to find the perfect one anymore. Thank you again
Aris Mpass
Aris Mpass 2 ամիս առաջ
Really interesting and informative video Mr Herman, I'm a bassist but I play guitar as well, i was thinking about buying a guitar with a Floyd to try and this video helps a lot
Gareth Llewellyn
Gareth Llewellyn 2 ամիս առաջ
My fackson floyd rose was done in a shop , action set to match one I bought there previously ...it was OK until I changed the strings about 3x ...but after that the b string seemed to be the only problem....drive me mad ..wish I knew this lol
Chase West
Chase West 2 ամիս առաջ
Thank you for this video! Would love to hear you go into more depth on this subject. Tuning is the most important aspect of the guitar!
Christopher S
Christopher S 2 ամիս առաջ
Trems are for bitches, real men bend!
Kevlar _Steel
Kevlar _Steel 2 ամիս առաջ
Don't like a Whammy Bar, Floyd Rose is the worst
Ryan Soh
Ryan Soh 2 ամիս առաջ
Yea um my squire? Um not gonna mess with that
SevenDeMagnus
SevenDeMagnus 2 ամիս առաջ
So cool.
Omar Sharif
Omar Sharif 2 ամիս առաջ
I think I'm changing my mind on getting a floyd
Pericles Underhill
Pericles Underhill 2 ամիս առաջ
I’ve spent 15 years playing Floyd’s on all my 7 strings. There are many little tricks to help keep everything solid that no one knows!
JACKSON DK2S
JACKSON DK2S 2 ամիս առաջ
Thats why I always put esp arming adjuster on all my floyd rose equipped guitars.
Player X
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Great research
OOKAMI-KUN Official Channel
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5:48 Your dog seems pretty scary 😂😂😂😂
Solo Cuerdas
Solo Cuerdas 2 ամիս առաջ
Jajajaja the exited face!!! Great
Wiktor Małek
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"Not every bar returns to zero" - for me it looks like screws inside are loosen a bit. They are usually glued with blue screw glue but that kind of connection breaks after some time. Not sure about this particular block but, older ibanez floating bridges were build from 2 parts, and screwed together. So possibly bridge is returning to the same position, but the top element is jumping a bit. Check it :)
Andrew Braybrook
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Very interesting and unexpected! I found your video while looking for tips on tuning and balancing Floyd Rose bridges. It`s a time-consuming task. I have an ESP Arrow 7. Just gotta say: thanks for Road of Resistance! Also very much enjoyed the Extreme Power Metal CD and hope to see you play live sometime soon. Keep up the good work.
Independence Guitar
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1000 series bridges are not “cheap”. They are imported and made to the same specs as the German made Floyd’s, same metals. They are just made at a different factory. The idea of them being “cheap” came from the inconsistency of where they sourced the material from when they were first made. The Korean factory has since stepped up their QC and where they source the metal from. This has resulted in my 1000 series staying in tune better than my German made. But I’ve also learned how to set up a Floyd rose correct, and now I have no tuning issues with either. A huge part of that is making sure and taking the time to fully stretch the strings out before you set the bridge tension.
Brandon Huber
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Hey Herman. Just a suggestion. How about doing a stream where you go over the various tremolo stabilizers/blockers? Like the Tremmory, Ibanez Backstop, Rockinger Black Box, Ibanez ZTS, etc. Maybe you can demonstrate what they do and the differences between them. And let us know what you think of them and if they use them. Also maybe some streams talking about other trem/floyd rose upgrades like brass blocks stuff. Whammy science! This video of yours has me on a journey to really make my trem the best I can and use it appropriately.
Brandon Huber
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@DragonForce You're the man
DragonForce
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Great idea! 🤘😀🤘
Iqbal Dicky
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How about Sophia tremolo?
Oğuzhan Tuna
Oğuzhan Tuna 3 ամիս առաջ
I'm researching this issue about 6 months. People think if a floating trem have a tuning issue, the knife edges got damage, nut got loose, saddles got loose or something. I asked guitar techs, some of them said thats not normal. But the strings can not come back %100 pitch, never. This video tells what am I trying to say. thanks!
Paul Carr
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Dude is the Guitar Whisperer
jhed182
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I like the pull up face reaction =)
Justin Nix
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All I know is I’m not fucking around with guitars that have Floyd Rose bridges anymore. Huge hassle.
Evan Williams
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The strings are constantly stretching. You can’t expect any system that doesn’t compensate for that to ever stay perfectly in tune, especially after something drastic like a vibrato. Just the fact the guitar loses tuning accuracy based on the angle it’s held will mean you are always a few cents off unless you jam holding a level. Pressing or lightly tapping the bar to reset the bridge is an old trick going way back. It is especially useful on bigsby units.
Rhuan V. Teodoro
Rhuan V. Teodoro 3 ամիս առաջ
My freaking licensed Jackson Floyd Rose works good, so anything might be perfect 😂 And by the way, I didn't know of this "tricks" that's awesome
some1fat
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great video!
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